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by Gary Childress
Mon May 06, 2024 7:58 pm
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: Is morality objective or subjective?
Replies: 9855
Views: 900850

Re: Is morality objective or subjective?

If morality is just everyone's own personal opinions, then that's just people doing whatever they want. It's no morality at all. What do you mean by "opinion"? I mean, I have "opinions" such as orange is prettier than brown. However, I don't think it's my "opinion" tha...
by Gary Childress
Mon May 06, 2024 7:42 pm
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: Is morality objective or subjective?
Replies: 9855
Views: 900850

Re: Is morality objective or subjective?

If morality is just everyone's own personal opinions, then that's just people doing whatever they want. It's no morality at all. What do you mean by "opinion"? I mean, I have "opinions" such as orange is prettier than brown. However, I don't think it's my "opinion" tha...
by Gary Childress
Mon May 06, 2024 7:22 pm
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: Is morality objective or subjective?
Replies: 9855
Views: 900850

Re: Is morality objective or subjective?

When you say "subjective" morality, do you mean to say that morality is "subjective" in the sense that it is something that applies to conscious subjects and not to "objects" like rocks or conscious matter? I take it you're not saying that morality is non-existent or n...
by Gary Childress
Mon May 06, 2024 7:07 pm
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: Is morality objective or subjective?
Replies: 9855
Views: 900850

Re: Is morality objective or subjective?

Human nature is a very simple concept. All it means is that people have, in common, certain tendencies and liabilities. I'm surprised you haven't run into it before. My bad, what I was trying to convey to you is that I don't know what our "nature" is. I know what "human nature" ...
by Gary Childress
Mon May 06, 2024 6:29 pm
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: Is morality objective or subjective?
Replies: 9855
Views: 900850

Re: Is morality objective or subjective?

So what are you condemning that you like? :? But my reasons would just be a matter of my subjective opinion, so how is that objective? But it isn't an objective fact that hurting people is wrong; that is just a subjective human opinion. If you disagree, tell me where such a fact is to be found. My ...
by Gary Childress
Mon May 06, 2024 5:37 pm
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: Is morality objective or subjective?
Replies: 9855
Views: 900850

Re: Is morality objective or subjective?

If humans were universally kind, we would have no need of laws or morality at all. And there would be no wars, because nobody would ever want to start one, or to continue one, once it started. We don't have to rob, rape, murder or wage war on each other. There's no necessity of any of it. And yet, ...
by Gary Childress
Mon May 06, 2024 5:35 pm
Forum: General Philosophical Discussion
Topic: Christian Civilization -- The Central Issue
Replies: 763
Views: 43647

Re: Christian Civilization -- The Central Issue

The Question of the Ages …. 😎 So, AJ, do you believe the God of the Bible exists, or are you agnostic? I assume you're not an atheist? The creation we are in, the manifest Kosmos, is I believe (feel, intuit, reason) the creation of (let’s say) a supreme intelligence. I accept that “reality” cannot ...
by Gary Childress
Mon May 06, 2024 3:46 pm
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: Is morality objective or subjective?
Replies: 9855
Views: 900850

Re: Is morality objective or subjective?

If anyone stands to benefit less through cooperation than through robbing you then it's never true that cooperation benefits everyone. Robbery also involves the risk of retribution or retaliation. It's not free. The risk is priced into the assertion of "benefit". I'm sure it is. If anyone...
by Gary Childress
Mon May 06, 2024 3:27 pm
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: Is morality objective or subjective?
Replies: 9855
Views: 900850

Re: Is morality objective or subjective?

Skepdick wrote: Mon May 06, 2024 3:25 pm
Gary Childress wrote: Mon May 06, 2024 3:21 pm cooperation usually benefits everyone.
If anyone stands to benefit less through cooperation than through robbing you then it's never true that cooperation benefits everyone.
Robbery also involves the risk of retribution or retaliation. It's not free.
by Gary Childress
Mon May 06, 2024 3:21 pm
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: Is morality objective or subjective?
Replies: 9855
Views: 900850

Re: Is morality objective or subjective?

I'm not avoiding. I know perfectly well, and have always said, that a person who disbelieves in God has no hope of establishing reasons to believe in objective morality. And since you reject God, that's you...and I'm honouring your supposition and treating it as serious. But the resulting impossibi...
by Gary Childress
Mon May 06, 2024 2:51 pm
Forum: General Philosophical Discussion
Topic: Christian Civilization -- The Central Issue
Replies: 763
Views: 43647

Re: Christian Civilization -- The Central Issue

Alexis Jacobi wrote: Mon May 06, 2024 2:48 pm
what the fuck is this shit?
The Question of the Ages …. 😎
So, AJ, do you believe the God of the Bible exists, or are you agnostic? I assume you're not an atheist?
by Gary Childress
Mon May 06, 2024 2:48 pm
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: Is morality objective or subjective?
Replies: 9855
Views: 900850

Re: Is morality objective or subjective?

What we're doing, at the moment is allowing for the sake of argument that what you say is true . So objective morality is out of the conversation: we'll assume there's no such thing. My only purpose here is to argue that there are no such things as objective moral truths; hence objective morality i...
by Gary Childress
Mon May 06, 2024 2:14 pm
Forum: General Philosophical Discussion
Topic: Christian Civilization -- The Central Issue
Replies: 763
Views: 43647

Re: Christian Civilization -- The Central Issue

For those who contributed to my bike fund — thanks! This AM I just topped US$13,000.00! I am moved right down to my soul. Congrats! Seriously. Who the fuck donates to some kunt they don't even know such that they can buy a $13000 bike? where the only motor is the kunt pushing ?peddles ? SERIOUSLY. ...
by Gary Childress
Mon May 06, 2024 2:11 pm
Forum: Political Philosophy
Topic: #NeverAnyElectionFraud
Replies: 14
Views: 153

Re: #NeverAnyElectionFraud

Does the MAGA crowd argue with itself like we do? Maybe that's the problem. We're not even willing to engage in sound propaganda techniques. Honest people always lose.
by Gary Childress
Mon May 06, 2024 2:02 pm
Forum: General Philosophical Discussion
Topic: Christian Civilization -- The Central Issue
Replies: 763
Views: 43647

Re: Christian Civilization -- The Central Issue

Alexis Jacobi wrote: Mon May 06, 2024 1:48 pm For those who contributed to my bike fund — thanks! This AM I just topped US$13,000.00!

I am moved right down to my soul.
Congrats!