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Please consider reading "Personal Knowledge." That's not my responsibility. If you believe my understanding is faulty, it is for you to cite passages that support your claim. If I were to suggest you read a work until you see it my way, I would fully expect you to tell me to fuck off, alt...

If those articles are the sum of your resources, then I have to point out that you seem to have absorbed some rather wrong ideas about what he argues. But that may be the fault of the articles, not so much of you. Which goes to show that things are interpreted differently according to one's tacit k...

If your appreciation of Polanyi extends to agreement, you can't claim science as an objective source of evidence that "In the beginning, God created the heavens and the Earth." If you are thinking that, then I have to point out that you haven't understood Polanyi. I do recommend you read ...

Well, as Polanyi, who's Science, Faith and Society you cite approvingly said, all knowledge is personal. Scientific knowledge, of course: that's what he's speaking of. Perhaps you have forgotten what we are talking about presently: "In the beginning, God created the heavens and the Earth."...

"In the beginning, God created the heavens and the Earth." Do you have any objective source other than the Bible to corroborate this? Science. Observation. Spiritual experience. Reason. Mathematics. Archaeology. Those are good companions when one is making a decision. Well, as Polanyi, wh...

I don't "shy" away from any such thing, actually. Oh good. So what is factual about Genesis? Let's start at the start. I did suggest this, but at the time you were less in favour. If we want to start at the real beginning, the beginning of my "establishing" of things was the gos...

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Tue May 07, 2024 10:05 pm

Will Bouwman wrote: ↑Tue May 07, 2024 9:52 pmEven you shy from pretending it gives off the illusion of fact.

I don't "shy" away from any such thing, actually.

Oh good. So what is factual about Genesis?

Objective morality is a fiction... Here's the interesting thing about a fiction: it only works if it gives off the illusion of fact. The worlds fiction creates have to look or seem real, and the characters and situations have to strike us as human and plausible, even in the wildest fiction. That is...

Skepdick wrote: ↑Tue May 07, 2024 8:58 pm

Will Bouwman wrote: ↑Tue May 07, 2024 8:47 pmCareful Skepdick; you're in danger of learning something.

I'm dusting off old skills... Horses for courses.

Phew! Panic over.

Skepdick wrote: ↑Tue May 07, 2024 8:43 pm

Will Bouwman wrote: ↑Tue May 07, 2024 8:41 pm

There's something in teeth. Need a floss?

Careful Skepdick; you're in danger of learning something.

Skepdick wrote: ↑Tue May 07, 2024 8:32 pm

Will Bouwman wrote: ↑Tue May 07, 2024 8:02 pmThat's just your point of view.

Which is precisely the fucking point...

Skepdick wrote: ↑Tue May 07, 2024 12:53 pmThe point of objectivity is entirely contingent upon people deciding what the point of objectivity is.

That's just your point of view.

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Tue May 07, 2024 12:39 pmIf we want to start at the real beginning, the beginning of my "establishing" of things was the gospels, not Genesis. So do you want to start at the beginning of the book, or the beginning of what personally "established" me?

Well, if you want to make this about you, go for it!

Well, the Bible is 66 books...a library of different literary forms, composed by different authors, over a period of about a millennium and a half. And the "establishing" of any part of it has to happen by way of the appropriate test -- which is quite different for each kind of literary f...

"Feelings?" Anybody who trust his/her feelings is bound to go off course. In regards to the Bible, it's better to do proper textual analysis and exegesis, not rely on feelings. Well, since you mention the Bible, let's start with your feeling that the Bible is in some sense true; a feeling...