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by Belinda
Fri May 26, 2017 1:59 pm
Forum: General Philosophical Discussion
Topic: Secular Intolerance
Replies: 127
Views: 1462

Re: Secular Intolerance

Nick_A quoted: The Gospels speak mainly of a possible inner evolution called "re-birth". This is their central idea. ... The Gospels are from beginning to end all about this possible self-evolution. They are psychological documents. They are about the psychology of this possible inner development --...
by Belinda
Fri May 26, 2017 9:43 am
Forum: General Philosophical Discussion
Topic: Free Will vs Determinism
Replies: 757
Views: 9783

Re: Free Will vs Determinism

Immanuel Can wrote: I don't feel the burden to read anybody else's mind. And I wonder that you think I should simply magically anticipate your wishes. It's not magic to interpret what someone implies. It's intelligent. You veil your own , IC's own, intelligence by evasions. You annoy me; Christianit...
by Belinda
Fri May 26, 2017 9:35 am
Forum: Metaphysics
Topic: Why is Consciousness
Replies: 55
Views: 1330

Re: Why is Consciousness

Walker wrote: osgart wrote: I don't look to a God, I look to myself and the meaning I create. Walker replied to Osgart: Like Sherlock Holmes do you also discover meaning, and what is the difference between created meaning and discovered meaning? A work of art is a patchwork, your own new synthesis o...
by Belinda
Thu May 25, 2017 5:36 pm
Forum: General Philosophical Discussion
Topic: Free Will vs Determinism
Replies: 757
Views: 9783

Re: Free Will vs Determinism

Immanuel, Christians can be sceptics, and I'd guess that the best theologians are sceptics to a degree. Descartes, himself RC ,was the progenitor of scientific scepticism. You yourself put up such a poor argument for miracles because you lack scepticism. You lack scepticism perhaps because you like ...
by Belinda
Thu May 25, 2017 5:28 pm
Forum: General Philosophical Discussion
Topic: Secular Intolerance
Replies: 127
Views: 1462

Re: Secular Intolerance

But, Nick, men aren't trees and societies aren't forests. Societies with their cultures of belief and practice shouldn't exist to benefit themselves as institutions, but should benefit the individuals who make up the society. A belief is good when it supports quality life, the biosphere, and bad whe...
by Belinda
Thu May 25, 2017 8:32 am
Forum: General Philosophical Discussion
Topic: Free Will vs Determinism
Replies: 757
Views: 9783

Re: Free Will vs Determinism

Immanuel Can wrote: What particular tenet of (what the 18th Century self-importantly termed) "The Enlightenment" did you have in mind? Are you speaking of Kant? Or Voltaire and Rousseau? Of Bacon or Newton? Of Locke? Or of something more modern? What aspect of "the scientific enlightenment" do you s...
by Belinda
Thu May 25, 2017 8:19 am
Forum: General Philosophical Discussion
Topic: Secular Intolerance
Replies: 127
Views: 1462

Re: Secular Intolerance

Nick_A wrote: In short you seem to be describing the value of becoming normal and awakening to the reality of objective quality. I don't want to be so optimistic as to believe in objective quality. Cosmic purpose if it existed would not necessarily be good. Greta, men are more powerful than other in...
by Belinda
Wed May 24, 2017 7:55 pm
Forum: General Philosophical Discussion
Topic: Free Will vs Determinism
Replies: 757
Views: 9783

Re: Free Will vs Determinism

Immanuel Can wrote: I was merely pointing out the wisdom of that particular realization; that ultimately, nothing can be proved to those who simply will not be persuaded. I do actually see your point of view, although I cannot understand how someone who like yourself has good use of English is unabl...
by Belinda
Wed May 24, 2017 6:40 pm
Forum: General Philosophical Discussion
Topic: Free Will vs Determinism
Replies: 757
Views: 9783

Re: Free Will vs Determinism

Immanuel Can wrote: The God that is reasonable and acceptable to everybody atheists included is the God which is subjective not institutionalised. The God that is reasonable and acceptable to everyone does not exist, I'm afraid. Nobody's acceptable to everyone...not even the Supreme Being. And that'...
by Belinda
Wed May 24, 2017 10:34 am
Forum: General Philosophical Discussion
Topic: Secular Intolerance
Replies: 127
Views: 1462

Re: Secular Intolerance

Nick_A wrote: The purpose odf philosophy as opposed to psychology and binary reason is to exercise the higher parts of the human soul and allow it to develop, to “mature.” But you are mesmerised by the grammar. "The purpose of philosophy" implies that many if not most people understand that that is ...
by Belinda
Tue May 23, 2017 11:52 pm
Forum: General Philosophical Discussion
Topic: Free Will vs Determinism
Replies: 757
Views: 9783

Re: Free Will vs Determinism

Secular law is based upon common notions of morality, and those are in their turn caused by ethics which have been fostered by the prevailing faith. Secular law depends upon precedent, and evidence in a court of law in a free country is scientifically methodical. I don't disagree that this somewhat...
by Belinda
Tue May 23, 2017 11:34 pm
Forum: General Philosophical Discussion
Topic: Secular Intolerance
Replies: 127
Views: 1462

Re: Secular Intolerance

Nick_A wrote: Objective purpose is one thing and subjective purpose is another. You are a secularist so only accept the concept of subjective purpose. CIRET would only be annoying for you since it assumes the potential for an objective conscious purpose for Man in addition to that of the man animal....
by Belinda
Tue May 23, 2017 9:53 pm
Forum: General Philosophical Discussion
Topic: Free Will vs Determinism
Replies: 757
Views: 9783

Re: Free Will vs Determinism

Nick_A wrote:
What if free will like consciousness is our human potential?
I hope not! I don't want my choices to be random.
by Belinda
Tue May 23, 2017 9:33 pm
Forum: General Philosophical Discussion
Topic: Secular Intolerance
Replies: 127
Views: 1462

Re: Secular Intolerance

Nick_A wrote:
What purpose does a dog serve? What does it do? It transforms substances through the functions of its bodily processes. How is Man's purpose related to a dog's purpose?
What you are doing is called reification, Nick.
by Belinda
Tue May 23, 2017 8:58 pm
Forum: General Philosophical Discussion
Topic: Secular Intolerance
Replies: 127
Views: 1462

Re: Secular Intolerance

Nick_A wrote:
I said that it will be 100 years before society as a whole begins to appreciate its potential human purpose.
Nick you seem to think that purpose is a thing. But purpose is not a thing, it's something that people do. People purpose (verb).

Maybe you think that God purposes (verb).