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by Moyo
Sat Oct 24, 2015 7:17 am
Forum: Logic and Philosophy of Mathematics
Topic: The Axiom Of Identity *Challenged*
Replies: 232
Views: 49020

Re: The Axiom Of Identity *Challenged*

First idea: 1 Copies of the first idea: 1c So had they wanted to actually use a symbol of comparison, they would use something like: 1 ≅ 1c So is this what you were seeking to show? Yes 1 ≅ 1c And even that first 1 . is not ≅ 1 or itself. because its relationship with itself is also 1 = 1 c and eve...
by Moyo
Fri Oct 23, 2015 6:24 pm
Forum: Logic and Philosophy of Mathematics
Topic: The Axiom Of Identity *Challenged*
Replies: 232
Views: 49020

Re: The Axiom Of Identity *Challenged*

n its symbolic representation, “A is A”, the first element of the proposition represents the subject (thing) and the second element, the predicate (its essence) , with the copula “is” signifying the relation of “ identity ” Subject and predicate are not identical otherwise they wouldnt have made th...
by Moyo
Fri Oct 23, 2015 3:48 pm
Forum: Logic and Philosophy of Mathematics
Topic: The Axiom Of Identity *Challenged*
Replies: 232
Views: 49020

Re: The Axiom Of Identity *Challenged*

Tell me how you identify what a is , other than using the axiom of identity bearing in mind that the axiom of identity both uses identify and starts of with a is .. . If you stil dont get how obvious this is and insist on assigning form to be what identifys something...then i am not attacking the f...
by Moyo
Fri Oct 23, 2015 3:35 pm
Forum: Logic and Philosophy of Mathematics
Topic: The Axiom Of Identity *Challenged*
Replies: 232
Views: 49020

Re: The Axiom Of Identity *Challenged*

Scott "=" is a verb while "==" is a noun. I mean that "==" is illogical, not "=". But after your "=" happens, straight away it can be substituted with "==". So your attack does not hold. I see you travel from theme to theme, The title of t...
by Moyo
Fri Oct 23, 2015 12:29 pm
Forum: Logic and Philosophy of Mathematics
Topic: The Axiom Of Identity *Challenged*
Replies: 232
Views: 49020

Re: The Axiom Of Identity *Challenged*

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_identity In its symbolic representation, “A is A”, the first element of the proposition represents the subject (thing) and the second element, the predicate (its essence), with the copula “is” signifying the relation of “identity This means that in some way A is ...
by Moyo
Fri Oct 23, 2015 12:20 pm
Forum: Logic and Philosophy of Mathematics
Topic: The Axiom Of Identity *Challenged*
Replies: 232
Views: 49020

Re: The Axiom Of Identity *Challenged*

the difference between '=' meaning to assign OR to mean equivalence depending on context. This is why in computers that relate this symbol distinctly separate it often as '=' to mean "let the right content of this symbol be assigned to the left" while they use, '==' to mean logical equivo...
by Moyo
Fri Oct 23, 2015 12:17 pm
Forum: Logic and Philosophy of Mathematics
Topic: The Axiom Of Identity *Challenged*
Replies: 232
Views: 49020

Re: The Axiom Of Identity *Challenged*

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Form n a wider sense, the form is the way something is i.e. A is A. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_identity n logic, the law of identity is the first of the three classical laws of thought. It states that “each thing is the same with itself and different from anot...
by Moyo
Fri Oct 23, 2015 12:10 pm
Forum: Logic and Philosophy of Mathematics
Topic: The Axiom Of Identity *Challenged*
Replies: 232
Views: 49020

Re: The Axiom Of Identity *Challenged*

No, a 'form' is simply an abstraction (relative to us independently) Isnt that what the axiom of identity does? Tell us how a thing is related to other things? I.e. what it is not. Dog != cat, zebra, donkey....(rest of the unviverse) other than itself Dog = Dog. The Axiom of identy is the one that ...
by Moyo
Fri Oct 23, 2015 12:02 pm
Forum: Logic and Philosophy of Mathematics
Topic: The Axiom Of Identity *Challenged*
Replies: 232
Views: 49020

Re: The Axiom Of Identity *Challenged*

Scott Mayers wrote:helps us define classes of things or universals
Dog = 4 legged creature, with fur, a muzzle...

The definition;
is equivalent (means the same thing as)

Dog = Dog

By transitivity . ITs equivalent because its an equivalence relation.
by Moyo
Thu Oct 22, 2015 6:39 am
Forum: Logic and Philosophy of Mathematics
Topic: The Axiom Of Identity *Challenged*
Replies: 232
Views: 49020

Re: The Axiom Of Identity *Challenged*

The ancients often only defined a unit concept akin to an absolute 'form' and then even any copy of that is distinctly 'new'. Form is defined by the axiom of identity...it separtes a thing from everything else..creates the boundaries especially the A is not equal to not A. Moyo wrote: ...that when ...
by Moyo
Wed Oct 21, 2015 7:14 pm
Forum: Logic and Philosophy of Mathematics
Topic: The Axiom Of Identity *Challenged*
Replies: 232
Views: 49020

Re: The Axiom Of Identity *Challenged*

Maybe wtf can say it better than me; Lets do this slowly say we have a set A = {a;b;c} In what way is that element "a" the element "a". Why ! but by the axiom of identity.or in other words a=a . AKA (a,a). Oh I see your point. We need sets to define relations, and we need the ide...
by Moyo
Wed Oct 21, 2015 7:11 pm
Forum: Logic and Philosophy of Mathematics
Topic: The Axiom Of Identity *Challenged*
Replies: 232
Views: 49020

Re: The Axiom Of Identity *Challenged*

Dont take me seriously WHEN I DO THIS. Just trying to make the debate more interesting by #raising_the_stakes
by Moyo
Wed Oct 21, 2015 7:08 pm
Forum: Logic and Philosophy of Mathematics
Topic: After Reimann
Replies: 49
Views: 11911

Re: After Reimann

Yes, the primes are unevenly distributed so we make them even and see what that will induce the naturals to look like or do. All I can see is that the natural numbers look like products of primes ! But we already know that. Anyway let me know if you can develop your idea any further. But those with...
by Moyo
Wed Oct 21, 2015 7:05 pm
Forum: Logic and Philosophy of Mathematics
Topic: After Reimann
Replies: 49
Views: 11911

Re: After Reimann

Yes, the primes are unevenly distributed so we make them even and see what that will induce the naturals to look like or do. All I can see is that the natural numbers look like products of primes! But we already know that. Anyway let me know if you can develop your idea any further. Synaestesia war...
by Moyo
Wed Oct 21, 2015 6:42 pm
Forum: Logic and Philosophy of Mathematics
Topic: The Axiom Of Identity *Challenged*
Replies: 232
Views: 49020

Re: The Axiom Of Identity *Challenged*

Equivocation ("to call by the same name") is an informal logical fallacy. It is the misleading use of a term with more than one meaning or sense (by glossing over which meaning is intended at a particular time). It generally occurs with polysemic words (words with multiple meanings) This ...